Oops!We meant to say Public Safety Manager or Deputy Kiss Ass to Phil Gordon.
We just like to call him The Jack Ass or the King of Corruption or Liberace's Lost Brother.
We love the article and letter on the PLEA website. If you didn't have a chance to read it, click here:
You can also go to the AZ PLEA home page.
There is a letter and a packet that was walked over to Terry Goddard's office too.
KUDOS to PLEA for doing this!!
Maybe this will be the beginning of the end for Jack Harris. We here at BPC can only imagine what life will be like in the Harris residence when Jack goes home tonight.
Jack will walk in the door, pour a stiff drink, then sit down with his wife to discuss his quick retirement plan and fast exit from the PPD. LaJolla...Here we come!
We at BPC couldn't be happier about your bad news Jack. Sorry we helped bring to light your Golden Parachute Boondoggle.
As a matter of record, we are going to go and pour our own drink and celebrate the beginning of your demise! We'll drink the Soha Special in your Honor.
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PLEA Brings Concerns to AG's Office
Click on the links embedded in the document below in order to open additional documents that will provide additional insight and detail.
Harris PSM/Chief Analysis
If Jack Harris is the police chief, his pension benefits payments should be suspended. If Jack Harris is a Deputy City Manager, he can't sit on the AzPost board. The validity of AzPost rulings that he has participated in are in question.
If Jack Harris is a deputy city manager, he can't be the police chief. If Jack Harris is the police chief, he can’t be a deputy city manager.
Jack Harris was just awarded a 5th star. Deputy city manager’s don’t wear stars. Phil Gordon has stated that Jack Harris is the best "police chief" in the country.
Harris current position appears to circumvent the requirements and intent of several laws, rules, and ordinances.
The Arizona Police Association (APA) represents over 8000 working police officers in the State of Arizona. The APA made a formal complaint to AzPost (Hammerstrum and Stabler) in person in September 2008 about this clear conflict. PLEA was notified the issue has been sent to the Governor’s office.
Background Events
March 15, 2002 Phx. Pension Board minutes
o Jack Harris enters DROP on 02/01/02 for a period of 60 months (5 years)
September 15, 2006 Phx. Pension Board minutes
o Ron Snodgrass announces that he was contacted by a member (Jack Harris) who was going to be required to exit DROP and was considering returning to employment in a civilian position.
October 20, 2006 Phx. Pension Board minutes
o Board attorney Niederdeppe announces a discussion of reemployment for a person (Jack Harris) who was retiring from the PPD and was going to be reemployed by the City. A determination was to be discussed by the board as to whether this would suspend his pension payments.
o Harris explains that he has a break in service prior to his new job classification.
October 20, 2006 Phx. Pension Board transcript
o Harris: "So there would be a complete separation from the City of Phoenix and then I would come back in this other permanent position."
Memo authored by Harris on October 20, 2006
o Harris explains that he will have a break in service of two weeks from his police chief position for Phoenix.
February 16, 2007 Phx. Pension Board minutes
o Harris terminates his participation in DROP
Statutes & Ordinances Impacted
Pension Rule: 38-849.D SUBSEQUENTLY BECOMES EMPLOYEED IN THE SAME POSITION
"Same position" means the member is in a position where the member performs duties and exercises authority that are the same duties that were performed and the same authority that was exercised by the member before the member's retirement.
It appears the pension board attorney had a valid concern about the "sameness" of Harris' new position. CLICK HERE to read his October 16, 2006 letter to the pension board.
Operating budget for 2008-2009 shows one authorized position for police chief for the police department
The AZPOST board page identifies Jack Harris as the police chief of the Phoenix Police Department
Police Chief job code is 62690 and this job description was effective 6/92. This position requires A.L.E.O.A.C. (currently AZPOST) certification (i.e. sworn).
October 20, 2006 Phx. Pension Board minutes
o Wendy Larsen commented concern that the fund manager may not see enough distinction between the two positions. Harris replied he had met with the fund manager and this was not a concern.
October 20, 2006 Phx. Pension Board transcript
o Harris: "But I would want to make it clear that I don’t want anybody to have any misconceptions I would still be the police chief in as sworn for this thing as I am today."
o Ed Zuercher: "I guess what I, the difference to me in what she described as an officer coming back as a Sergeant is different because they are coming back still with only the responsibility to a sworn person. What the Chief described to me was, civilian duties added on to existing duties."
October 24, 2006 Phx. Pension Board minutes
o "Ms. Starr stated she would be voting based on the assurance given in discussion with City management the title of Police Chief would not be used. Chairperson Zuercher stated the contemplated position will be a Deputy City Manager position, although the position may have a different working title. Chairperson Zuercher stated it was his understanding the City formally would not be using the title of Police Chief, although how the public referred to the position was not in the City’s control."
October 24, 2006 Phx. Pension Board transcript:
o Ed Zuercher: "This is I guess my thought on that Ron and Gail would be in this case what you have is a sworn position who would be assigned to a civilian position with duties expanded beyond the current, so I’m not sure where you would find for a commander or a lieutenant or an officer a place where they would go that's a civilian position with duties that are different and expanded or if you did that for example if a police officer retired from the system and then became a neighborhood services inspector which is a civilian position in a different and we've had that happen, back when we had some neighborhood services inspectors who are retired police officers. I think there is a way that works."
AzPost Requirement: ARS 41-1821.A.2 T TWO CHIEFS OF CITY POLICE, ONE APPOINTED FROM A CITY HAVING A POPULATION OF SIXTY THOSAND OR MORE PERSONS…
Operating budget for 2008-2009 shows one authorized position for public safety manager in the office of the public safety manager
City Public Safety Manager code is 62680 and this job description was effective 1/07. This job requires AZPOST certification.
City ordinance Sec. 2-119 requires that the police department will be headed by a Chief of Police
In the Phoenix Police Department Operations Digest Jack Harris is announced as the Public Safety Manager.
September 15, 2006 Phx. Pension Board transcripts
o Ed Zuecher: "So it’s really, as I understand it, will be a question of someone covered by a public safety pension system, retires, DROPS, finishes DROP, and the question is: is it possible for them to come back in the civilian capacity, in a civilian capacity."
October 20, 2006 Phx. Pension Board minutes
o Harris explains that he is being asked to be reemployed in a different job classification as a deputy city manager with different job duties.
October 20, 2006 Phx. Pension Board transcript
o Harris: "The offer that I had been given is that they would like me to continue employment with the City of Phoenix but in a different classification. So what the proposal is, in essence, is I would retire just as anyone else normally would out of completely out of DROP and out of the state retirement system effective January 19. After a short break in service looking at one or two weeks I would be reemployed by the city as a deputy city manager. Of course I would continue to stay out of the retirement system I would be in a system within the City of Phoenix or civilian personnel."
o Ron Snodgrass: "With regards to what Chief Harris brought up, I took a lot of notes here, he’s going into a new job classification deputy manager above a department head he’s currently a department head now, the language is short and sweet, it says he’s, the member is in a position where he performs duties and exercises authority, the same duties that were performed and the same authority that was exercised. He’s got new duties, he’s got duties beyond the scope of what he ever had before, he’s got a whole different job classification and he even said that some of those duties, which he performed before will be delegated down to the number 2 XO. I don’t see where if Jack gets this offer and even takes it after January 19th, as you said, I don’t think it’s going to be in conflict with anything process in all honesty. I just don’t see a problem with it."
o Harris: "We had discussed that, Frank and I had discussed that being his main concern, with that was, there is nothing internal that would be a problem with changing the title, but he felt the community would want to have a police chief and to change the title to commissioner or director or something he didn’t feel that the public would be comfortable with that so he wanted to keep that as one of the job duties. That was his position. Officially it would be Deputy Manager, but it’s kind of hard to introduce the Deputy Manager to the community, when they are looking to the police chief to speak to them."
Memo authored by Harris on October 20, 2006
o Harris stated he is currently employed as the police chief for Phoenix.
o Harris differentiates between being a police chief and being a deputy city manager. He explains that his DCM job is different from the police chief in that it has a far greater scope.
o Harris writes that the "position of Deputy City Manager is inherently different than the current department head position of Police Chief."
October 24, 2006 Phx. Pension Board minutes
o Ron Snodgrass (board member) explains that the law precludes Harris from returning as police chief. His current duties as chief will be distributed among assistant chiefs.
o As a board member, Snodgrass explains that he facilitated a meeting between Harris and Jim Hacking (fund manager) and Lieberman (fund mgr. attorney). Hacking communicated the job duty of DCM had enough "added complexities" that it fell into the category of a new job distinct from police chief.
o Zuercher, Starr (Gayle), Larsen (Wendy), and Snodgrass voted in favor of motion to allow Harris to be rehired without pension penalties. Lt. Stan Hoover voted against the motion (he made no comments during the recorded board meeting).
October 24, 2006 Phx. Pension Board transcripts
o Patty: "Um, Ron, I’ve thought about this over a period of time and really caught bits and pieces in some very direct conversations with Chief Harris about it and I guess some of the questions that come to my mind, um, sorry we were going to shut the door, really has to do with what kind of path are we heading down with regards to DROP and what the intent of DROP was, so I guess I’m thinking if, if things happen to work out I guess where Jack stays and becomes the Deputy City Manager, um, what does that do to us when we have the next employee, whoever that might be in DROP who doesn’t want to go and tries to do something, is probably the most politically correct way I can say it, um, its certainly not a personal issue, um, with the Chief. I like the Chief, but I, I tend to look at things more from a system perspective, what was the intent and where was the program headed, so those are some of the thoughts that were rolling around in my head. I'm not familiar enough with the legal details of DROP, again, you have a general marriage, but in terms of, that's why we have an attorney in here who has looked at that, so, does that help at all."
o Snodgrass: "…hat's sad because now the laws have been modified a little bit, is creating a problem for us because the law does not preclude Jack from coming back and being a full duty sworn police officer of any rank other than chief the way it reads right now. He could be an assistant chief the day after he leaves, he can be a commander, he can be any rank, and so…
o Gayle: "I will be voting based also on the assurance that I've been given in discussions with Frank Fairbanks, city manager that the same title police chief will not be used in any way shape or form."
Ed Zuercher: "Ok"
Gayle: "As a job description, title, anything..."
Ed Zuercher: "I would just, I would clarify that with my understanding, is that the position would be a deputy city manager position. It may be have a working title of something in the nature of director of police and homeland security, I’m not sure exactly what it is, but my understanding is 5 Harris PSM/Chief Analysis that the city formally will not be using the title of police chief. Of course there’s no guarantee as to what the public or the media will be calling this person. Is that what you mean Gayle?"
Gayle: "Yes"
Ed Zuercher: "Ok. Any further comment... discussion... I have a motion and a second; uh I would just also indicate that this is dealing with someone becoming a deputy city manager. All those in favor of the motion, say aye....opposed"
SUMMARY
Harris’ position in the City of Phoenix appears to be in conflict with pension laws, city ordinances, and AzPost requirements.
•It was agreed that Harris would be brought back in the capacity of a Deputy City Manager.
•Harris says in his comments and memo that he still is going to remain the police chief.
•The City of Phoenix ordinance requires, mandates, and calls for a police chief to head up the police department.
o There is one police chief position slotted in the current budget.
o Police chief is a current job description per city personnel.
•Phx. Pension Board chair Ed Zuercher described Harris’ new job a as a Deputy City Manager with duties beyond the scope of his old job.
o There is one public safety manager position slotted in the current budget.
o Public safety manager is a current job description per city personnel.
•Pension law states that if a person comes back in the same position, pension benefits are suspended.
o Additional duties don’t change the job of police chief. Harris’ new job as a Deputy City Manager is the same job of police chief with extra work.
o Police officers have additional duties placed upon them all the time. They’re still police officers.
•AzPost has the statutory requirement for a police chief on their board.
•Harris is identified as a police chief on the AzPost board.
•Phx. Pension Board member Gayle Starr’s vote to approve the new job was clearly contingent upon Harris not being called police chief.
•Phx. Pension Board Chair Ed Zuercher explained that Harris’ new position would be a deputy city manager.
o Ed Zuercher was Phil Gordon’s chief of staff at the time of this pension board issue.
•Phx. Pension Board member Snodgrass understood that the law precluded Harris from coming back as police chief.
•Snodgrass facilitated Harris’ job with the pension fund manager and at the same time sat as a board member on the local pension board.
Mike Polumbo is still an ASSHOLE!
I just read all of the documents and meeting minutes in this link. What a bunch of corrupt mother fuckers. Ron Sondgrass made statemtns sounding like he was an attorney. Turns out Board Member Snodgrass and Chief Harris went together on the "down low" and lobbied the other board members and city leaders to approve this. Then Snodgrass gets caught with homemade poronograhy on his city computer while assigned to Professional Standards (what standard is professional about this?). The DRB recommends a suspension for Snodgrass. Chief Harris lowers it to a written reprimand. Chief Harris then sits on the AZPOST Board and votes to suspend a Scottsdale PD officer for 8.5 months for having porn (not homemade) on his computer which WAS NOT owned by the city. Holy shit Batman! I cannot think of a more corrupt bunch of things and fools like Frank Fairbanks, Alton Washington, Mayor Gordon, City Council members and Ed Zuecher let it happen. Shame on all of you cocksuckers! You are wasting my tax dollars on this bullshit. I hope Terry Goddard has the balls to send you all to prison for frauding the Public Safety Retirement System and the City of Phoneix! If nothing else, this will give you all some "private time" with Steve Soha and the Baseline Killer!
http://www.azplea.com/content.php?info_id=477&PHPSESSID=fb2e8a1362d87515e2db66eb6327f5f9
Somebody needs to contact former fire chief Brunocinni and show his this link and tell him to read the minutes of the public safety retiement board. Remember the city told Bruno he couldn't stay past his DROP date even if he returned his DROP interest. This is incredible.
Read this then somebody who knows Chief Brunocinni needs to tell him about this website. Bruno could own the City of Phoenix AND the Public Safety Retirement Board
Family feud at the Phoenix Fire Department creates rift
By Sarah Fenske
Phoenix New Times (Arizona)
Copyright 2007 New Times, Inc.
All Rights Reserved
PHOENIX —."
In 2001 Alan Brunacini announced that he would retire in the summer of 2006.
Under the state's optional plan for safety workers longtime firefighters who name their retirement date years in advance can add richly to their pension.
The idea, says Phoenix City Manager Frank Fairbanks, is to give experienced workers a reason to stay on the job. Setting the date in advance also helps the city plan for openings.
But when his personal D-Day grew closer Brunacini began to have second thoughts. In the fall of 2005 he wrote Fairbanks to say he'd changed his mind. He wanted to stay.
By opting out of the program Brunacini says, he'd lose $185,000 in retirement benefits.
But Bruno didn't care about the money. He just wanted to stay on as chief.
Fairbanks said no. In a November 2005 letter to Brunacini Fairbanks wrote that the law department had concluded that Brunacini's chosen retirement date was "irrevocable."
As it turns out the city could have gotten around the rules. Police Chief Jack Harris retired just after Brunacini, under the same system. But before Harris was out the door, the city announced that he'd be returning as an assistant city manager. Since it's a new job, Harris won't lose a cent of his pension.
Fairbanks says that the city's willingness to rehire the 57-year-old Harris was no slam on Brunacini. "Frankly we didn't think of this in Bruno's case," he says.
So on July 31, 2006 Brunacini retired.
Did Steve Soha have anything to do with keeping Jack on the job? He has done so much other awful stuff I was wondering........
Message to Stan Hoover;
remember, even if you have sucked only one cock in your life, you will always be a cocksucker!
Looks as if Jack Harris will be stripped of the 5th star soon. He needs to follow protocal like any other reserve. As a citizen I will be contacting my city council represenative and requesting another meeting to present a proposal for the resignation of Jack Harris. His greed, unprofessional investigatory process,and mishandling/mismanagement of the PPD is unexceptable.
Your first mistake was when you uttered the words "I'm not going to allow PLEA and citizens to say when and how investigations are done." What disregard you have for the citizens of Phoenix,civilian employees and fellow officers that have made a commitment to serve the public sector. I am here to tell you Mr. Jack Harris, you have become a personal project along with everyone listed in this site but not limited to ie..Stan Hoover AKA Stanton, Ron Snodgrass, Tom Lannon, Tracy Montgomery, Steve Soha, Mike Polumbo, Louie Tovar,Andy Anderson,Kevin Robinson,George Richards,Cmdr. Klima,Cmdr.Martin and the list continues to grow.
The community is outraged and will also expect you to reinburse the monies(4,000 wkly) you have collected in the 10 months as deputy city manager.
Mr. Harris, Let this be a reminder...you work for the citizens of Phoenix and as voters we have the last say. But I am sure you understand how politics works.
Leave Joe Klima out of this. He is a caring trustworthy man who is forced to work around a bunch of currupt managers. Stan Hooevr and George Richard are a perfect example of corruption he is forced to tolearte. We though Bill Louis was corrupt in PSB but Hooevr and Richard makes Louis seem like a puppy dog. Icant wait till Hooevr and Richard retire sothey can be fed some of their own medicine. I will be holding the spoon that feeds hem. They aint seen nothing yet, you cocksucksers!
I am a liauteant assigned to ACTIC and have lost my drivers license for 90 days for an indiscetion I committed several moths ago.I have nothing to do tonite because my best friend is at the home and garden show at the civic center tonite sniffing the new lines of carpet that have come out.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cas/854939679.html
I was searching Cragslist persoanl ads this evening to meet some new friends. I came across this ad and was concerned these guys might be Georgis Richards and Stan the-man Hoover. Can anyone tell me if it is them? I am very intesrted in the guys they are looking for but but I hate them for the way they treat me lately. Look at the ad tell me if it is them.
Does anyone know what jail cell teh Baseline Killer is in? I sure dont want to be his roomie next month!
I am a commander with PPD and must tell you how excited I was to see Bill Louis leave PSB, especially after his son who is a sergeant get away with fucking a Dillards employee at her home while both were be paid by Dillards. Sounds like theft of salary to me. Then, Bill has his sucky boty Mike Polumbo write the investigtionw which amount to nothing more than "equal fucking". He never addressed the fact both were on paid time with Dillards when they left and fucked and then came back to work. When George Richards took over PSB I was singing praises that things would change. Things were good for about two months but George has n0w taken over where Bill left off. Games with peoples head, dragging out investigations forever, being a dick head, etc. George is now going to rot in hell. George now uses Stan the man Hoover to do his dirty work. Sad thing is I am aware of an investigation where both were tape recorded and will probably be sent to AZpost regarding thier integrity. I hope they both burn like fire and I wouldnt stand by and piss on either to put the flames out.
In response to blogger......did Steve Soha have anything to do with Jack Harris keeping his job? Well, lets just say I am sure there was some kind of package deal made as they played basketball on Sundays.
Much like the Road Rage Andy incident....Road Rage called Harris and told him he messed up and Harris responded DON"T WORRY I WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. Well, Harris took care of him alright, he continues to sit on the AZPOST Board for diciplinary reviews of other law enforcement officers.
This is corruption and looks like the citizens of Phoenix along with PLEA will take down this swingers club.
Lets not forget Bill Louis's extramarital affairs while on PPD.
While his wife is out buying up daycares he's screwing around.
The apple did not fall far from the tree.
It all makes sense to me now. Polumbo's ears stick out so far because Bill Louis grabbed onto them while face fucking Mike. Mike's moustache is so thin because the friction from a dick going in and out of his mouth rubbed all the hair off his moustache. I should be a detective shouldnt I? Is thie why Stan the man has no hair? Geo likes to pull hair versus ears? Then what is all that greasy shit in Stans hair; oops I just figured it out, Geo must like to pull out when he is cumming. Or Geo's dick is so short that it cant penetrate Stans mouth and his jiz goes wherever it wants. Path of least resistance would be Stans hair since there is no brain contained underneath his scalp. Try Stans ear next time. It might offer more friction and feel like a sheep bunghole.
Leave CMDR. Klima alone! Give me a break. No one respects him, he has screwed up VCB beyond repair, has allowed Mr and Mrs Potato Head to continue to work together and him supervise her on occasion when he covers Gay Pat's squad, he had the oppurtuntiy and chance to save Dave Barnes and refused, giving into Joke Knott and Montogmery and has continued to allow the entire VCB to go down the drain. Joke Knott walks all over Klima, talking behind his back and than kisses his ass so much his red hair is going to turn brown soon. Klima wants to be an Asst Chief so bad he will do what everhe is told to do. He knew about the crime lab problems from the beginning, knew the lab was responsible for killing 7 people, knew Polombo was fucking his now fat slut of a wife and continues to turn his head so not to piss off the ones above him or make them have to make a decision that he refuses to do. Klima knows everything and is as corrupt as the rest of them for allowing this behavior to continue for years. Klima claims he is a devout mormon, like the rest of the religious freaks up there who claim some sort of god and right doing. They can all burn in hell together. Klima has the power to do things right but he chooses not to. SHould he ever become an asst chief, it will continue. He needs to quit wearing that special underwear and let his balls grow to the size they should be as a violent crimes commander!!
"Leave Joe Klima out of this. He is a caring trustworthy man who is forced to work around a bunch of currupt managers."
Oh please. This guys his constantly on the 4th floor kissing ass. He is desererate to be a chief. The majority of the people who have to work for him don't like him because he shows special preferences to people of his same religion or cronies.
I hope he never make assistant chief he si such a dork.
Mormon is a cult. They think the bible is inferior to the book of Mormon.
Here are the facts:
Joseph Smith was a loser – his mother an occultist and his father a treasure digger.
Joseph Smith found some supposed golden plates buried in upstate New York. These plates were buried by a group of Hebrews who emigrated there 1000s of years ago! (think about that for a second...Jews who came to upstate New York to bury plates before the French, Spanish, English or Vikings..) With these plates were spectacles that were used solely for translating them! The plates were lost (naturally) and only Joe and a few of his close friends saw them. Their names are mentioned in the first few pages of the BOM.
Joe was a polygamist. It wasn’t until the US Army was coming after them that suddenly a new revelation reveled that Polygamy was now bad.
Brigham Young murdered 100s of non-Mormons in 1857 known as the Mountain meadows Massacre
Most Mormons wear Jesus Jammies - undergarments with little reminders sew in, to remind them how above you, they are.
Much like Scientology, they want your money (tiding), won’t allow outsiders into their church and find you and hunt you down when you don’t attend temple.
Never trust a Mormon. There is something known as “the Mormon Lock” where they will only do business with other Mormons and violate open bids.
Places like Gilbert and Mesa are filled with Mormons and God help you if you have a kid in either of these school systems.
Never join an MLM. They are mostly founded/created in Utah and created by Mormons.
Arizona City = Mormons
Warren Jeffs = Mormon
YFZ Ranch in El Dorado Texas = Mormons
Mitt Romney = Mormon
Donny and Marie = Mormon
They don’t drink, smoke or drink soda and come knocking on your door with skinny ties, bicycles and short sleeved white shirts. Next time they do, just ask them about any of the above...
This is all beginning to play out like a bad fucking movie of the week. I wonder who will get the book deal on this one ... sorry, Polumbo - NOT YOU!!!
To anonomyous blogger sent Sept. 27at 2223 hours:
I must disagree with you. Commander Richards is involved in an investigation of me and he has been nothing short of a gentlemen to me and my wife. Slow, yes, but PSB is bombarded with work. Your comparison to Bill Louis is totally innaccurate. You claim to be a commander but do not deserve this priveldge if true. Maybe this is a job you want or are fighting for? Are your initials K.H. and you have a first name that is usually given a girl? Now where are you going since you cant get along with George?
Most of the Executive management is corrupt. Commander Gary Brase was sleeping with one of his young female subordinates and what did Jack do? He transferred her to 700 and left the predator Commander Brase at 600. Talk about protecting your own. This Commander should have been disciplined and transferred. This guy is a first class dick.
On more thing to the anonoymous bloggers: You say what you want about George Richards...or better yet, Joe Klima he is my friend. I have never,ever seen him make a decision that was unnmoral and played favorisism to someone with his own religion. I would know because I worked for him for six months of the best months of my caerrer and I learned to respect the guy for the manner in which he treated everyone the same. What you say about him and his religion is below the belt." Kevin Robinson is an assistant chief and can never make everyone happy. He also does not deserve all of this unsubstantiated bullshit. Leave these two fine men alone or read a book or two and take the test. I'll bet you could never make it!
First off, I am a commander and second off, I have been screwed by George and Stan. They worked in tandem to try and catch me short.. I will be suing both for malfeasance. Now, the men you mention in your post have all been proven to be incompetent not by skill, but by their expectation to follow their leaders no mater how cruel the instructions are. They lose their ethics and morals to get ahead in the organization. When dose PSB ever allow a husband and wife in an interview. You are lying or exaggerating which is conifer unethical. Or you are just plain lying.
"I'd work for that man again anytime, any place. What is wrong with you people? Quit if it is so bad!"
At least Klima has one person who likes him. So Mr./Ms. Anonymous you wanna call people out but I don't see your name or e-mail listed. You are a punk who is probably a huge kiss-ass at work that no one likes anyway.
Big talk hiding behind "anonymous." We are all so scared and impressed by you (NOT).
If everything is so good in PSB then why does it take them so long to do an investigation and why do so many findings get overturned later through review, the grievance process, or civil service board? There are huge problems. People and assets are not being managed properly.
If supervisors were properly trained to work with their employees on how to coach them and help them develop their skills all this wasted mans hour spent fucking with people could be spent on crime.
I once had a boss that would actually interupt me while I was in front of the computer, working, to tell me how I was a bad employee. Even though I have never received discipline in 20 years of service and never had a negative note. He just didn't like me. I didn't like him either but I left him alone.
Supervisors have let personalities rule their job focus instead of the mission and things are really fucked up.
We are grateful to have this site to vent because as a low-ranking officer we have no one to go to when we are under fire.
Jack (ass') new discipline policy has not changed anything. It is all about the culture of our lousy management.
We don't want to quit. We believe in law enforcement we just want it to get better again like in the Dennis Garrett years.
So big talker, when are you going to out yourself?
I am retired PPD and this is the best entertainment I have ever seen. I dont need to go to Big Apple anymore to keep up on the rumors and scuttlebut. I can get it here in the luxury of my home. Heather, go to the fridge and get me a beer!
Dennis Garret my ass, bring Ruben Ortega back. He demoted a assistant chief on the spot during an executive meeting after the assistant chief asked a secretary to sit on his lap. Ortega also demoted a Duty Captain on the spot after he was seen kissing a dispatcher at communications. Ruben would have a field day with these guys. Chiefs having affiars with direct report admin lieutenants, chiefs kissing in the SAU office, chiefs same-sex kissing at her promotion ceremony, sergeants dating subordinates, lab failing to process evidence, lieutenants publicly threatening other lieutenants, lieutenants being caught DUI not once but TWICE, chiefs creating a road rage with their juvenile daughter in the car, chiefs lying (and being called so) during a labor hearing, chiefs refusing to speak to any member of PLEA-officers work unit, then lieutenant in a task force (now assistant chief) going to topless bars with his subordinates and driving home in his city vehicle clearly intoxicated, chiefs sharing homework assignments,Internal Affairs sergeants showing porno to other IA females while in the IA office an on a city computer, promoting a lieutenant who was dead last on the commanders list, sergeant sitting on the retirement board and not recusing himself when a vote was taken on the chief's attempt to violate the spirit of drop, a I/A lieutenant failing to recuse himself when taking a vote when the chief was atempting to change to drop pension law for him only, the seregant in charge of the two largest serial killer investigations in the state maintaining files in his ex-wife's garage. Why isnt Terry Goddard looking into all of this? How can any of you look at yourself in the mirror when some poor soul, barely making a living, gets a speeding ticket that costs $200? Vote Terry Goddard out of office!
KIM....I will out myself once you out yourself!
To Mr.September 30, 2008 7:57 PM
"Maybe you were accused of something so egregious that you didn’t deserve any courtesies."
You have shamefully fallen victim to the corruption. 'Accused' not 'convicted'. Too many people watch our men and women walk that long green mile to PSB and ask, "I wonder what he did?" What we should be asking is,"I wonder what they are accusing him of?" There is a distinction.
Too often we confuse charged with convicted.I am sure the creator of this site could speak to that.
Perhaps we should take a deep breath and remember the basic priciples of what we are supposed to be doing.
Now on another note.
"Joe Klima he is my friend. I have never,ever seen him make a decision that was unnmoral and played favorisism to someone with his own religion." (spelling not my own) You are likely very accurate here; but misguided. He does not make decisions which makes you right, but he is spineless and weak as well. Those are not the qualities of a leader, but a follower. Strength to do the right thing, even at your own harm, even when it is unpopular- that my friend is leadership. He may be your friend, but please do not confuse him with anything else.
George Richards would be a good guy to have a beer with. He could tell stories and make you laugh. But I'll bet he could tell a damn good horror story around the campfire, too. Stories that would make a cop cringe. He backs his sergents and lieutenants to the wall so I am sure his people like him. Try being on the receiving end of one of those accusations. Duuuuude!
It seems as though you need a commander to idolize, so let me suggest one: Tim Hampton. His guys love him out there in 800 and he has exhibitted real leadership qualities. But I caution you, he eats meat, has a spine and makes decisions; not the kind of guy you have written about as your kind of friend...
I will leave you with this: The Phoenix Police is indeed a great place to work. But to believe that everything is hunky doory at the House of Jack is akin to having your head buried in the sand or up your butt! The organization is great. Some of the people on the other hand are FUCKED up!
I have probably worked with you at some point. I will almost guarantee it. I will also caution you about calling these folks out, they might answer. I do want to be judged by the friends I keep, rather by my enemies. I know who they are and I fight them every stinking day. Do you know who yours are?
If I have preached at you and pissed you off, too bad. These folks are not wrong; they are venting. It is an enjoyable read, so enjoy it. If you can't do that don't log on.
Keep up the great work, Jeff in Phoenix! Would love to by you a beer some time, brother.
Peace Out!
Nicely Stated Anonymous October 1st, 9:18 pm (how funny)! You rock!
Anonymous September 27, 9:07pm, September 29, 7:30pm, and September 30, 7:57pm: You are part of the problem, you don't even know how to recognize leadership qualities and you are a coward.
At least make up a fake name and email. Something interesting like "I Like to Kiss PPD Mgmt Ass" might be a good one for you.
Have a nice day butthead.
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